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we're stockpiling all of our stolen goods in our office. >> you notice in that picture it's like we have a run on skittles. i ae all the whoppers. sorry, guys. the new york yankees release third-degree congratulatory message for the red sox. take a look at this. >> the new york yankees would like to extend heart felt congratulations to the boston red sox on their eighth championship in 109 years. we'll match our 27 championships in the year 2271. good luck. see you at the ballpark. >> that's just sore. good morning, everyone. did you survive halloween? it is friday, november 1st. did you survive halloween? >> survived halloween.
>> who did you have? >> kate and jack got a lot of candy. >> what were they for halloween? what were their costumes? >> oh, oh. jack was the red ranger. you don't have boys, so you don't understand. mighty morphine power rangers. kate was a black cat. >> cute, cute. >> if a black cat is timeless. liam? >> he was a pumpkin. >> did you make the pumpkin? >> i did not. >> did you cry? >> i might have cried. i cry a lot. >> why did you cry? >> it's so cute. >> max was going to be a hockey player, but he decided to be a red sox. my daughter was a detective. bennett, we put him in a spiderman outfit. >> what did grow as?
>> a financier. >> a motorcycle commercial. >> i louisville that. >> okay. that's great. >> what is cute walking up the upper east side yesterday about 6:00 and seeing these kids in their costume. for those of us out of that. >> i can see you putting the candy out the door and walking away. >> we live on the ninth floor of the building with no trick or treating. >> that's just cold. >> sad, right? >> scrooge is what it is. >> let's keep going. i don't want to do the obama care story. >> we missed you yesterday. it was incredible watching you there. somebody said something about grown men. i said the morning after your team wins, there are no grown men. >> the night your team wins there are no grown men. >> one was, in some ways as fun
or more fun than seeing the green monster and into the up field. >> we were throwing balls off the green monster and to the base. >> like children. >> a lot of fun going inside the green monster. speaking of trick or treating, we lived on the upper west side for awhile. then we moved to places undisclosed, then we were chased back into the city because of the hurricane last year and snowstorm the year before. we always did 69th street on upper west side. have you done that before? >> i haven't. >> that is the coolest street. >> there's a couple blocks like that in manhattan. low 70s in lexington where they do it. everybody on the street gets together and they turn the block into an amazing halloween fantasy. >> that's what this is. >> speaking of halloween fantasies. >> halloween nightmares?
do you want to talk about this. >> the fantasy was you could sign up for health care. it will be fixed, i know it. as obama care turns one month old, we are starting to see how serious the glitches on the website were. documents released by house republicans appear to show that just six people were able to enroll for health insurance on opening day. a day later, 248. >> you are talking in one office, right? >> this is disclosed by the republicans. notes from internal meetings describe the widespread issues. one of them, the high volume. troubles with direct enrollment and problems with the v.a. system and credit check information. the administration says it expected early enrollment numbers to be low. >> come on. this is 300 million people plus live in this country and they can -- this is their landmark
achievement. they have had two years to prepare for it and only six people can enroll. only six people can enroll. >> that's a bad headline. i don't think it's the case now. let's see. >> no, you know why we don't know? >> we don't know. >> because they won't release the numbers. they have the numbers and refuse to release them. >> they say the documents are just notes and not official numbers. >> then give us official numbers, right? >> right. the white house continues to point to massachusetts where 123 people enrolled in the program the first month. that number steadily grew. >> speaking of massachusetts, i thought it was fascinating yesterday, the same man that accused mitt romney of killing a woman, remember that? mitt romney killed my wife. remember that commercial? he was such a beast, a horrible human being. mitt romney killed my wife.
barack obama believed that. >> obama did not claim that. the president did not say that. >> hillary clinton wasn't running against him in 2012. >> this commercial was put together by some sort of arm. >> somebody very close to barack obama. barack obama takes responsibility, the buck stops with barack obama. >> okay. >> barack obama and his campaign and people connected to his campaign and people closely associated with him in the past claimed that mitt romney killed a woman. >> okay. the story is bad enough, you don't need to do that. >> can i please make my point? i'm going to say it again, barack obama, his campaign, they all claimed in 2012. it was one of the most horrific claims that mitt romney killed a man's wife. >> i remember condemning the commercial as well. >> mika, i'm going to keep doing this, okay?
so, in 2012, barack obama claimed that mitt romney killed a woman. yesterday, he's in massachusetts and he says mitt romney is the model of health care. responsible health care. why don't we call this out this morning? a man who makes the most horrific charge through campaign lines, who, a year later is saying mitt romney is the role model for what he did in massachusetts. >> there's a reason. >> it's staggering. >> it's not lost on the public. i think his pattern of being a bystander when things are going badly, being distanced, you are probably right about who paid for and produced the ad, but i think the public has started to see through this. the public, by responding with personal approval rating that is
upsidedown, i think in a lot of ways the most damaging impedestrianment for someone trying to lead is because of exactly what you are saying. >> and it wasn't steve rattner, we talked about this. it wasn't just this one ad. they went to ohio for a year and said mitt romney was a disgusting, filthy capitalist pig. it was on bain capital. they were clear. they told john heilemann, we have to destroy mitt romney. they went to ohio and they destroyed him as human being saying he was a horrible, filthy capitalist and yesterday, barack obama is going to massachusetts saying he's a role model. which is it? >> the other thing they did during the campaign is said mitt romney was responsible, attacking the health plan he put in place and accused him of being a hypocrite about that. i think the fact is, the massachusetts plan is a plan
that worked. it is a model for our plan. we can talk about it later today. so, the president is latching himself on to that plan. i guess you are not happy he's doing that. >> no, he can. either mitt romney is a horrible human being or a role model for america, which is it? >> the health plan is a role model. >> there's really no answer. >> what is more embarrassing to you, how it rolled out or how they are troubleshooting the rollout? >> first of all, it's troubling the. it will be troubling on all accounts. steve said this, it won't matter six months from now. does it help americans? if like medicare part "d," medicare, social security, americans find on balance their helped by obama care, they will like it and republicans will immediately stop calling it obama care. >> a lot of people will,
hopefully, fix their glitches. the more people that sign up, many of those people will be republicans. they will be part of, you know, the country that needs the help. it's going to be very difficult if people who couldn't get coverage are getting it and people with pre-existing conditions are getting it. it's going to be hard to take it away. >> this is troubling, steve. president obama was already having a bad year. it was a rough second term. you know about that. he was having a rough second term. this is one of the things that always makes you angry, you and all of us at the table angry, self-inflicted wounds. when we do something stupid, which i do every morning, i know. self-inflicted. i get paid for it. >> i don't agree with this one but go on. >> it was a self-inflicted wound. they knew it was coming and
weren't compared. as brian brought up, their response to the crisis has been equally bad like george bush looking down over katrina. >> the first few steps along the way, if i were in the white house, i would say how could this happen? we should ha known. what's underlying this in the end, you have a set of technical glitches, but what's underlying it in the end is people are realizing, i think there was an unfortunate thing conveyed that everybody was a winner. everybody won the lottery. everybody was getting a lottery ticket, nobody losing anything. when you balance the equities, some people are going to be worse off in terms of the cost of their plan. the vast majority of the people are better off. the idea everybody was going to be better off is not right. >> you can't get 30 million people on health insurance rolls without other people paying for it.
there's no such thing as a free lunch. >> agree. >> you are exactly right, the wealthier may have to pay more. i think the stories that are troubling, brian, right now is the fact the l.a. times story. it's devastating. you have working class people, middle class people struggling that are kicked out of their insurance plan and having to pay double. instead of 98 bucks a month, it's 200 bucks a month. for millions of americans, that's -- >> as a reporter, i have a lot of people come talk to me. some are waiting for kidney transplants, canceled from their health care. the stories are coming forward. when we talked off camera, the key is young people getting involved. in two years, if it's going great, that's one thing. but to keep the cost down, we need young people to enroll. what we are going to see is down the road, the government is going to have to spend more money to try the website again. if it doesn't work, you move on. >> i get it.
a.d.d. generation. >> we all hear these stories, we are all going to hear these stories. >> that's correct. >> no matter how well the launch was, add that on top of the self-inflicted wounds. again, six months from now, are americans better off a year from now? are americans better off than they were without it? on the whole, that's how it will be judged. >> i believe the answer is yes, i really do. don't even start to think i'm pandering for anybody. i truly believe this is the morally right thing to do as a country. having said that, when people ask us questions when talking to groups about it and they are concerned about the cost of business or things happening now, i remember my answer, i felt like should have been used as well. it's hard to do something like this. there will be problems and challenges. no major policy change, no
creation of something like health care is going to happen cheaply or for free or without lots of problems. >> instead of calling on the country to all do their part to solve and share the goal is make sure everyone has access to health care. president obama, every single day for the better part of five years says if you like your plan, you can keep it. if you like your doctor, you can keep it. they turned out to be lies. that's why he's in the position he's in. i don't believe we'll be talking about the website, i think we'll talk about the policies and problems with the plans and the problems republicans have had from the beginning, inserting the federal government in distribution of health care. >> steve, let me talk to you as somebody who supported this all along. we may find some agreement here. you are smirking, so i doubt it. >> no, i'm smiling in anticipation. >> i think the bigger problem is, if this were a massive, sort
of lbj plan that all senate democrats and all house -- and they were all on the same page and max to barney frank on the same page and figuring out how to do it, that would be one thing. this is not just republicans against these plans. these were democrats that were warning with each other, their exemptions to hospitals and exemptions all along the way. nancy pelosi, the day before it's passed, she said we passed it to figure out what is in the plan. this isn't like it's a grand design. it's an ugly patchwork of legislative fixes that were plugged in. we don't know if it's going to work. >> i agree with you completely. it was a patch work. >> a process. >> when lbj passed medicare, he had massive majorities in the house and senate, which didn't
make it easy. it was easier for him to get what he wanted. >> he decided what was going to be there instead of letting committees, subcommittees figure it out. >> remember, inherent in this idea, there are trade offs. the more you say that the insurance companies have to provide for people under 26, if they have to cover pre-existing conditions, the more you are essentially setting a cost level on what insurance is going to cost. those are trade offs. at the end of it all, what we ended up with was a finely balanced machine with compromises in it, as you sugge suggested. we need all the pieces for it to work. we need the young people to sign up. we need the exchanges open and all this stuff to happen. we'll see how it goes. >> we have time. we'll continue the conversation. but very big headlines this morning, revelation that is are fascinating. mark halperin and john heilemann
are set to shape up the political word. new details from "double down." the details from the 2012 election are leaking to the press. remember the rumors the obama administration was thinking of booting vice president biden off the ticket for hillary clinton. >> that's crazy news chatter. >> joe, you heard from insiders about this. everybody poo-pooed you. >> said it early on. people were talking about it in '11. i heard from insiders. we talked about it on this show. everybody laughed. >> well, it turns out, when you say it, yeah. it turns out -- it turns out, oba obama's chief of staff at the time, was actively pushing the idea. his quote, i was vocal about looking into a bunch of things. this was one of them. you have to remember, at that point, the president was in
awful shape. so, we were like holy christ, what do we do. fortunately for vice president biden, research suggested the move wasn't going to help the president's chances. i wonder why? >> hillary clinton's approval rating is down to 46% right now, i saw. hillary clinton -- >> this is interesting. >> i have great admiration for her. >> i do, too. i think she's going to run. >> benghazi is a serious, it's a lot more difficult for her to get around that than the mainstream media want to think. they think it's a right wing conspiracy, no it's not. i tell you the moment she said what does it matter, i'm telling you -- >> about the pakistan? oh, benghazi. >> i don't think she meant it that way. >> she didn't. it's one of those lines she will regret. >> the other thing is, it doesn't make a difference. at the end of the day, swapping
out your vice president looks more desperate than the benefit you gain from having a different person on the ticket. >> if you read that -- >> vice presidential cants can't hurt, but -- >> i edited myself but thank you. >> there's that. that's a good point. >> he was quoted as making sense. he was doing his due diligence. it was a low point in the administration and considering all his options. >> there's -- this isn't a huge knock on joe biden. if you are bill daley, what do we have. if it gives him a 3% or 4% bump. i mean i would take my mother off as vice president. mom, you understand that. my mom -- >> no, mary jo would not understand that. >> she would scream at me and say joey, it's about winning. >> if you are chief of staff, you don't want the president
walking in your office saying bill, i think i need a new vice president, what do you have for me. you say nothing, i haven't thought about it. >> also in the book, romney was considering chris christie for vice president and should have. >> the campaign ruled him out due to unanswered questions about his background and health. there were several questions. they tried to get information about it. >> double down. >> also, this is the most remarkable part of the book. president obama, we know he has disdain. he's a social guy. he has disdain for -- >> he has disdain for hypocrisy and grubbiness. >> it's not just republicans he doesn't like to hang out with. he tried to set up a golf game with bill clinton. they don't finish 18 holes. >> can you imagine the talking. >> the disgust. i can only handle him in small
places. i would love to golf with that guy. >> of course you would, joe. >> what do you think about the arkansas game? >> you are so great, joe. i don't know mr. president, how's my hair? you would love spending time with him. i can take him in doses. >> like five minute doses. >> oh, come on. mr. president, don't listen to her. >> mr. president, you do tend to overwhelm the conversation. >> no, no. i love that. >> there's a lot to ask him about. former presidents, all former presidents have wisdom to share and pass on. >> you have to ask for it. >> i think president obama can certainly endure -- >> good point. good point. >> considering that bill clinton delivered the best campaign speech of barack obama's campaign, he learned to love
him. you know what? his second call on election night -- >> was to bill clinton. the speech was half ad libbed. he went from the text. it was incredible. >> he's incredibly talented. our president could use advice from him. >> a longer game, like 36 holes. >> i always said, i have said it for years. if i were a democratic candidate, i would wear a bracelet that says wwbd. what would bubba do. bill clinton is the only democrat that figured out how to win in the age of reagan. guess what? that age, as much as democrats think have pass fied is still with us. when democrats try to expand the government in 2009 and 2010. they are still paying for it. >> the difference between them is stark and important. bill clinton, no matter what
you -- he loves it. he wants to be in it. he wants to be in any conversation about politics. >> he gets it. >> he has stability which you have seen repeatedly since he left the presidency. >> look at that. >> give a speech. people say he explained it better than the candidate did. >> mika, you just drew the most important distinction between these two men. why one had a successful term and see if the other one can survive. bill clinton loves the game like lbj had the game. >> he would have hillary in the house because he loved it so much. >> like all the great ones, barack obama does not love the game. he doesn't even like being there to be honest with you. >> most people believe an administration after one or two terms are so glad to be gone. it's so gruelling and hard on
the family. it is so all consuming they just are done. he would go back tomorrow. >> the great ones never want to go. >> well -- >> fdr would have still been serving today if he could live to be 150. lbj, reagan, all of them would still love to be there. >> true. >> except george w. bush, make no mistake, he wants to be in texas watching espn. it's kind of cute. i kind of like that. >> to go back again for eight more years, that's a lot on the system. it really is. some might want to. >> what do you do, move to boca. no, go to the white house and change the world. coming up on "morning joe" -- in doses. coming up on "morning joe," the moderator of "meet the press," david gregory, white house press secretary, jay carney, leigh
gallagher and later, celebrity chef rocco dispirito. >> are you going to put on an apron and cook? >> yeah, i'm going to put on an apron and say mmm delicious. top stories from the politico playbook. bill karins is up now. >> as far as my forecast goes for today, if you are going to be traveling in the northeast, the airports are going to be a big issue especially this morning. we have strong thunderstorms with high winds that are going to blow through the big cities. as far as right now, they are located in central pennsylvania on interstate 81. they are going to head into the big city. not even lightning with the storm. it's a strong line of storms with winds gusting up to 60 miles per hour. winds are 36 in philly. 39 in buffalo. a windy day. it's very warm.
feels like the spring feel with the humidity. when the front goes through, bad weather with it. you don't want to be under big trees with the winds gusting to 40 to 50 miles per hour. the rain is early today in the east. it's when the worst airport delays will be. later this afternoon, evening, the airports will get better. i expect significant delays from new york, philadelphia and d.c. throughout the morning. i'll track the storms throughout the morning here on this friday on "morning joe." i started part-time, now i'm a manager.n. my employer matches my charitable giving. really. i get bonuses even working part-time. where i work, over 400 people are promoted every day.
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new york city's controversial stop and frisk policy scored a victory in the courtroom. a panel of judges put a stay on a previous ruling that required changes to the policy. in addition, the panel removed a judge from the case saying she compromised the appearance of imparablety surrounding the litigation. she's been vocal in the press appearing in interviews and responding to criticism. we have here, the new york daily news, we are going to have reporters covering the story. as they say, it's a huge win for michael bloomberg. it puts bill de blasio in an interesting position, to say the least. >> yes, it does. let's go to the toronto star. toronto police say they have video of em battled mayor ford
smoking crack. >> yeah. >> the mayor denied the claims since the video surfaced. >> isn't that stuff supposed to make you skinny? >> i was thinking the same thing. i was thinking the same thing. the crack heads are always like kate moss. >> if you are going to smoke crack, man, you would hope you get a health benefit. >> i think it makes your face swell because it's bad for you. >> i think it, you know -- >> i was thinking the same thing. city councilmembers called for ford's resignation. yesterday, he confronted the media camped out at his home, angrily asking them to get off his property and physically pushing them out. itis not his first memorable moment with the press. remember this one. [ bleep ]. he had a literal run in with a camera. >> usa today, edward snowden has
a new job working for a russian website. it starts earlier this month. they didn't name the company for security reasons. "the washington post," employees of the department of homeland security may have boosted their pay with overtime they didn't earn. with o.t., it's $8.7 million a year. this tactic could add money to a paycheck and used to recruit new workers. san diego union tribune, a police officer issued what many believe is the first ticket for driving while wearing google glass. oh, my god. this woman was caught after being caught for speeding. she plans to fight the ticket. it was blocking her vision and causing a distraction. from "the washington post," the moment air travelers have been waiting for.
as long as they don't allow talking on phones. >> what? >> the faa finally agreed to let passengers use electronic devices like tablets and phones throughout flights. >> oh, my gosh. >> reporter: on this halloween travel day with costumes on full display at the airport, there was a treat awaiting travelers. >> at this time, please turn off all cellar telephones and electronic devices. >> reporter: that announcement will soon be a thing of the past. no need to power down. your cell connection needs to remain off. >> the policy we put out strikes the appropriate balance responding to what customers wand but first and foremost making sure we have a safe environment. >> they can tolerate radio interference from electronic devices. it's up to each airline to come
up with faa approval. by the end of the year, we should be able to use electronic devices from take off to landing, but in the airplane mode. delta says it's ready. >> anything you can hold on to, e-readers and tablets can be e used gate-to-gate. >> stan was multitasking waiting to fly home. >> i tell people to power them down. because people say 16,000, whatever the number is, is safe. >> reporter: this is good news for you? >> great news. >> reporter: you don't have to be a cop anymore. >> don't need to be a cop. >> reporter: you will be allowed to connect to the plane's wi-fi system that the airlines charge for. >> have you had other customers tell you to power down? >> never. >> i have seen it once or twice. >> i have a son who is not a good traveler. we had thomas the train on at
the last moment. itis not wi-fi, it's a video. some rude lady two rows behind said power down. i said well the alternative really isn't good. >> exactly. all right. >> i have a better story. my better story is i was coming in on the concord on one of the last flights. >> better already. >> after we passed the grey poupon. >> i'm sitting on my blackberry violating all the rules. the plane gets this close to the runway. there's a plane on the runway. it powers up to do a go around. all these tourists are on the plane. they screamed he did it, he did it. it's because he's looking at that device. >> that's horrible. >> what was it like flying on the concord?
>> it's lovely. >> you did it, too. >> it is uncomfortable. it's like sitting in coach. it's not your favorite part of the plane to be in. >> i'm like 6' 10." >> you would not be comfortable in the seats, it's fast as hell. >> why don't they do it anymore? not economically feasible? >> they barely broke even on it. nobody wants to make an investment like that. with us now, mike allen here with the morning playbook. mike, first off, election day just four days away. liberal groups are spending big bucks in the more closely watched races. tell us about it. >> they are, but mika, before i get to that, one of my favorite tidbits from "double down" reveal one of the mrs. obama's
favorite television programs. something she watches religiously while she's working out and while she's doing it, she e-mails valerie jarrett when she doesn't like what's being said. >> what's that? >> "morning joe." >> oh, i am so sorry. >> you really ought to take back everything you said this morning. >> i take back everything. i'm from the south. >> we like the president and michelle. she's awesome, especially the health stuff, which i would like to work with you on. >> she's the one who is watching it. >> you know what i found out? >> please, joe, please. >> women around me, they were the ones that always get angry at what was said about me. it wasn't me. ah, it's business. i'm sorry, mrs. obama. i have to be nice now. >> yes, you do. >> you ruined my friday.
>> seriously? >> you know what, though? >> and he's got two daughters. >> if she's working out. a lot of people say they watch this and get mad and work harder. >> she looks good and doesn't need to. >> i'm upset about something else. it's not wednesday. it's not monday. it's not tuesday. >> we'll fix that right now. good morning, mrs. obama and happy friday. >> all right. >> welcome to november. is that why valerie is always e-mailing me? >> good morning, valerie. >> how you doing? we are talking to valerie and mrs. obama and the concord. >> lovely. >> as mika pointed out a couple hours ago, there is now outside spending on the democratic side, not just the coke brothers that
can spend in elections. so, the left is stepping in and it's progressive money that's being spent in the 2013 elections. you have mayor bloomberg spending on guns, tom stir in california spending on climate, mark zuckerberg spending on green. in virginia, there's more outside money on the democratic or left side. in fact, in virginia this week, this is amazing. terry mcauliffe, the democrat, is outspending the republican ken cuccinelli by 25-1 on the air waves. >> we read so much stuff in the middle of the night, so i never know if i'm dreaming or not. did i see a poll in the middle of the night that said ken
cuccinelli is tightening the race in a poll or two or not? >> tightening, sure. we have talked to both campaigns. there was a poll a couple days ago that showed it much tighter. the cuccinelli internal polls do not show it tightening that much. the campaigns believe it's an outlier that terry mcauliffe is cruising to an easy win. you never know. they go to the horse races because they come in and close the gap. >> terry mcauliffe seems like an outsider for the state of virginia. look at ken cuccinelli, who is very, very conservative. some would say too conservative right now for the state. these are the type of races in off years where you wake up and you go holy cow, that just happened? >> there's a third party candidate. newspapers supporting none of the three. it is a wild situation. >> it is a wild situation. do a lot of the libertarians say
wait, i can vote for the libertarian or have terry mcauliffe? if it's an eight-point spread, i will be shocked. >> politico's mike allen, thank you. have a great weekend. >> thank you, mike. sorry, mrs. obama. >> too late. >> what are you thinking. coming up, a rare end to last night's thursday night football game. we'll show you that next in sports. ♪ ♪ hey lady! noooo! no! [ tires screech ] ♪ nooo! nooo! nooo! hey lady, that's diesel! i know. ♪ ♪
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time for sports. bangles, dolphins, thursday night football action. the fourth quarter, bangles trailing 17-10. bernard, he's got to run 70 yards to go. this is good. what's happening right now is good, if you like the bangles. bad if you like the dolphins. tied up at 17. they trade field goals. we go to o.t. bizarre ending. dalton tackled in the end zone for a safety. it's only the third ending safety in the history of the national football league. 22-20. baseball's hall of fame got their hands on baseball treasures. >> did you steal some? >> we didn't get what you are about to see. a bat used by david or tease. cleats worn by closer koji.
>> that was fun. what is it when you put someone in a head lock? >> a man hug, i guess. >> a man hug, yeah. >> a glove worn by stephen drew. it will be part of the exhibit honoring the 2013 season. your boots for your morning track run did not make it. >> my boots from the run around the bases. that was so much fun. did that look funny? up next, the must read opinion pages. we'll be right back.
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instead of must reads because they are so important. you are shuffling, are you ready? >> i'm ready. i'm ready for joe to tell me where i'm wrong. >> what do you have? >> we are going to talk about health care. we are going try to get past all the stuff about the web not working and this and that and get to the substance of it. the president was in massachusetts wednesday. >> we were covering that. >> exactly. the point is he was talking up massachusetts and what happened in massachusetts. point one of what happened in massachusetts was that enrollments initially were slow. after one month, 123 people. after two months 2200 people. we showed this chart briefly early on. after 11 months, 36,000. today -- a lot of the same factors, people didn't know, didn't understand. most importantly, the penalty, the real sign ups occurred when people were facing the penalty after 11 months.
today, what percent of people in massachusetts are covered by health care? 97%. >> 97%. >> 97%. >> it's a high number. >> it is a high number. we have to get going in the u.s. we are not on that trajectory, yet in terms of the sign up. the small numbers. >> need the young people. >> let's look at where we are now. where are we today in terms of health care in massachusetts? in massachusetts, the percentage of people with health care increased 1%. the percentage of the country, down 5.7%. as you know, people are cancelling, employers are cancelling health insurance because it is too expensive. >> okay. what else do you have? >> last chart -- >> these are blowing me away. >> they are blowing you away. >> i'm not fighting you. >> i wouldn't know what to do if you didn't bite me. let's remember what obama care is trying to achieve.
what it's trying to achieve is 37 million more people on health care. 27 million of them coming from the uninsured, going into exchanges. some of them using medicaid supplements, some of them going straight to the exchanges. 7 million people losing insurance from employers because they are shedding insurance. they go into the exchanges and the exchanges, i think, will continue to do what they are supposed to do, provide lower cost plans, admittedly with certain requirements but going to introduce what a small government loves, competition. >> put that chart back up there. one of the numbers are low. where are the projects from? >> the congressional budget office. they are not white house numbers. >> i'm sure you have heard this as i have heard it from ceos, run the world type of guys and women who have been telling me for some time, we are going to
do this for four, five, six years, then shed health care. i'm talking people from not fortune 500, fortune ten companies saying we'll do coverage for awhile. after five or six years, we are going to drop it and let the federal government take care of it. it will be cheaper than paying the penalty. >> that 7 million, it's going to happen. >> i think it's going to be a lot, lot more than 7 million. >> it's not a terrible thing. we have a health system -- >> what's not a terrible thing? >> if they shed insurance and send them to exchanges to buy insurance, it's not a terrible thing. we have a system that is not one you would design yourself. health insurance is attached to the company. if you leave nbc, you have to find new health insurance. if nbc gave you an extra $10,000 a year, whatever the cost is, said go buy your own insurance the way you do for your car, you
would be able to keep that and move forward. >> the root of the debate, which is, i think, barack obama and you and other people want to end private insurance as far as health care goes. >> no! that is so -- no! >> you want employers, at the end of the day, the goal is to have employers decide it's better to shed this and let them all go into the government system. >> it's not a government system. >> it is. >> all those people who are going to buy on exchanges are buying from private insurance offering plans in the marketplace. picking the most attractive one. >> we have to go break. >> mark halperin and john heilemann will be here to talk about their new book, "double
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"meet the press," david gregory. i would like to say something for the record. >> what's that? >> the angry e-mails come directly from valerie and valerie alone. >> what are you talking about? >> nothing. when she's angry at you, she loves you. she has her own, she sends you very hateful e-mail at times. >> hateful, despicable. they are from valerie, alone. >> valerie has always been very nice. >> she's so, so nice. >> she's a lot nicer to me than i would be. joining us from chicago, senior editor for national view and columnist ramesh ponnuru. >> something else happened on "morning joe" for the first time, we have been doing it since 1947. i think we may have at least three people that have voted for
a republican in their lifetime. >> good god, i have hives. i have hives. >> two worked for them. i'm sure they voted for a republican candidate and ramesh and myself who never voted for a democratic president. jeff sachs, let's talk to you. i haven't had your take, i can't wait to get it, on the health carrollout. it's been disastrous. it's been horrible. everybody agrees with that. what does it look like six months from now? what does it look like a year from now? is this a plan that can work? is this a plan that is fundam t fundamental? >> 50 years from now? >> our big problems are not going to be solved by this. our big problems are -- >> you mean the health care problems? >> the health care problems that our system is completely out of control in costs. that is not going to be solved by this. this will, i think, in the end
get people on to health care policies. the start certainly not going that way. but the big problem is, we have the most overpriced health care system in the world. the problem is, you know, where you and i don't see eye-to-eye on exactly what to do, trying to make a market of health care as we continue to do is pushing us away from proven successes in other parts of the world that show you can't do this like a market whether you want to do it through the online or exchanges or private health insurance. what's happening all over this country is people are getting skimmed by policies that are way out of sight in cost. the hospitals have local monopolies, they price discriminate and charge whatever they can to whoever they can. our system is 50% to 100% more expensive than any other place in the world. >> we do disagree.
>> i don't see how markets are going to solve that. every play, joe, that tried it with markets ends up like we have it where people can't afford their policies. every place has it straight forward. hospitals have to post their costs and let people know what is true, end up with lower priced, more effective systems. >> mark, i mean -- mark, my issue is, of course, the problem is we don't have enough, enough market forces here where, you know, it's like education. we have a monopoly in education. we have a monopoly in health care. we pay more money per student than anywhere in the world and more money per patient than anywhere in the world. we have insurance companies and hospitals with market forces. >> people who are like me and older, i'm actually looking for insurance. i think i'll get a cheaper plan. younger people, the key to making it work, i worry the
hammer is not strong enough. >> it's $95 per 1% of income. if you are an average 30-year-old or 40-year-old, your penalty is what? 50 or 60 bucks? right? >> they are all going to pay the penalty and stay off the health care. >> that's what i'm saying. the hammer isn't strong enough. 50 or 60 bucks. >> let's move on to the politics of this. you, along with rich lowry wrote a great article for national review. a day after the article comes out, we have poll numbers coming up from the wall street journal poll. it shows the president's numbers at an all time low. conservative bloggers were all talking about that yesterday. conservative bloggers weren't talking about the fact the republican party's approval rating also at an all time low. what do we do? the president's numbers are going to go up and down.
what do we do to get our numbers up and how do we avoid focusing on his 32% and looking at our 18%, 19%, 20%? >> i think the first half of the last month was dominated by a republican excess and hurt the party. the second half has been dominated once the republicans got out of the way with the news of just how badly the obama care rollout got under way based on failures and incompetence. you are right, at the end of the day, the republicans need to have something beyond the incompetence or failure of the obama administration that attracts people to it. they are only beginning to take steps in that direction. >> nicole, look at the numbers, 22% positive impression of the republican party. 53% negative.
22 positive, 53 negative. we are a party that wants to take back the senate and the white house. we can't do it with those numbers. i find it stunning, there are some voices out there, even ted cruz is trying to make peace with republicans in the senate. there are voices that say you know what? we have to push harder. we have to, you know, we are going toward the cliff. can't we press the accelerator a little bit? when we hit the ground, we would like the flames to go really high like they used to. >> i think you put the question to the senator yesterday. how do we amplify the voices. i put congressman tim griffin and tim coburn. how do we drown out the voices who are cat calling the most reckless members of the republican party and urging them to be more reckless. >> the recklessness, this is not
my opinion, even though i have been talking about it for two or three years. these are hard numbers. let's bring in david gregory with "meet the press." a lot to talk about this weekend. i would guess you would be focusing on the many, many failures of the rollout of health care this weekend? >> well, yeah. i'll have mitt romney on. almost a year after the election to talk about it. the president has now sort of taken him on as almost an odd m administrator adviser. i want to say something about where republicans are especially with mark and nicolle. it strikes me that what you have right now among republicans is a tension between resistance and governing. it is still a reaction to the governing of president bush. whether it was education policy
or medicare, certainly the security state ushered in after 9/11, of course the bailouts. this is still the big schism in the republican party, how much should it be doing? that's where the problem on health care and other issues. the republicans get in trouble for the answer being, well, what the other guys are doing is wrong and simply not doing enough. so the answer from republicans too often is let's not do anything at a government level to fix this. i think, at the moment, it hurts them in terms of being a governing party, but helps them make the case against president obama. >> let's go around really quickly. it's a great question. i want to get to ramesh. let's start with mark. >> bill is a tremendous pollster in the republican party. what he demonstrates is that yes, we have historic lows, 28%. the last time we had anything
close, 31% disapproval, 1999. remember what happened then? government shutdown, we lost the election. it doesn't work. we have 19% of republicans who prefer a shutdown -- >> right. >> -- over the health care program. >> i keep thinking about where the bush coalition has gone. i actually think the people who supported president george w. bush in 2000 and 2004 are describing themselves as independen independents. they don't look like the republicans of 2004. >> ramesh, you are sort of comparing the self-inflicted wounds on each side and each giving a leg up by their own stupidity. what's different, the rollout is bumbled and awful, no question. to mark's point, there's a
self-destructive faction in the republican party that offer nos alternative. >> ramesh, you are apock lip tick conservatism. >> senator mike lee, who is part of what david gregory was talking about as the rejection group. he's somebody that wants to be a governing conservative at the same time. he's advanced his proposals. it's interesting we have some of the most creative policy thinking in the republican party coming out of that end of the party. >> and the question is, of course, you have heritage which, of course, is republicans remember back in '81, '82, '83,' 48. heritage helps more than anybody make conservative an
intellectual force. you had education alternatives. none of which jeffrey sachs agreed with, but would say they came up with a governing philosophy, whether you agree with it or not. we are along way away from that. jim demint's first year maybe has not been the most positive. >> well, look -- >> i'm the only one in an awkward position. go ahead. >> senator lee's speech was at heritage, but i certainly think former senator demint's philosophy we would be better off with 30 hard core conservative senators is deeply mistaken. >> david gregory, of course, it's hard to figure out where we are going here. you have the democratic party that obviously -- it's just washington in general. americans are disgusted with washington in general. >> right. you have talked about this but i
think it bears repeating. the huge test of obama care and why this start, this failed start mattered so much is that the brand of whether the government brand can pull this off is a huge question. it is a huge question. to your point whether you have companies that get out of the health care business and steer people into exchanges, most of which are run by the federal government. the ability for them to administer a big technological rollout. then to nicolle's point to help manage the implementation of the plans and try to bend the cost curve when they are trying to dictate what plans, you know, people are covered by and what's best for people. this becomes a huge test. it goes back to republicans, too. ultimately, what is the governing philosophy other than trying to bridge obama care or come up with something new.
>> can i say this? we have breaking news. >> okay. >> straight from the white house. i'm shocked we are getting this statement. the first lady does not watch "morning joe." >> this is pushing back. >> exactly. >> good for you. >> if you don't watch, that's your problem, not ours. >> don't be rude. >> i'm not being rude, but what are they watching? >> i'm not going to go there with you. >> no! wow! >> come on, they are watching. give me a break. >> let's move. let's move to dr. sachs. >> anyway -- >> how did they find out? >> i have my -- >> exactly. >> how did they find out we were talking about it if they aren't watching. i'm crafty, right? >> the bush people said they didn't watch but complained
every day. >> we watched, bush didn't watch. some of us wish he did. >> hey, joe? hey, joe? joe? i can tell you that nicolle was once on the "today" show called me out and said david gregory was wrong. >> we have a lovers quarrel there on the north lawn. let's talk about the budget cuts coming up. we have been talking about this for a long time, how to take care of long term debt and why americans hate washington. it looks like we are going to keep governing by crisis here. any development that is are positive? >> it's the same issue. we are on a trajectory of closing things down, whether we close them down by direct furloughs or the sequester path, cutting, cutting, cutting.
this is a nihilistic approach. it's not surprising washington is fading from the public's view as a place that can solve anything. if you tighten up everything. i think, joe, the republican position, this no revenues thing, even if it's revenues to stop massive tax abuse, massive tax evasion, that kind of position in the end that leads us to cutting food stamps. today it starts. big cuts for the poorest people in the country, day after halloween. you are getting millions of people cut today on their ability to eat and feed their kids. why? because they are standing up in congress, still. don't make the banks pay taxes. don't make google and amazon and apple pay taxes. let them keep their money. >> i understand. let's talk -- let's talk about the big issue. >> it's collapsing. >> let's talk about the big issue and i think we agree on this. by the way, i agree, we
shouldn't slash and burn the 12, 13, 14% and leave the big entitlement systems out of touch. you have harry reid asked in an interview about medicare and social security. he said why do you keep bringing it up? you are obsessed with it. we are not going to do anything on those. we are not going to touch those. that's where the long term -- if we want to save america from debt, that's the long term fix. >> the biggest cost in the system, we keep coming back to it is health. it's out of sight. look at the curves. we both look at the curves, the costs of this are out of control. we know that we are spending $750 billion extra this year on health care in our country from what we ought to be spending. the way to get at that, stop the abuses from these hospitals which are the single hospitals in their counties. they charge incredible prices,
ten times more than those that can get away with it. stop the abuses of doctors that own the imaging equipment then send their people to the diagnostics. we are getting costs of every procedure twice, three times, four times what people pay in other parts of the world. this is abuse. if we sat down and said let's save hundreds of billions of dollars in health care, we could do it in short order. it's both parties protecting the health care industry. >> jeffrey, thank you so much. ramesh, quickly, what has the response been from conservative circles from your column along with rich? >> let's say response has been mixed. there's certainly been some sharp responses. i don't know what the internet comments on the article look like because life is depressing enough without reading internet. >> do not read internet comments. >> i have gotten a lot of positive feedback. >> thank you so much for being with us.
david, this weekend, mitt romney. sounds like an incredible interview. >> we have coming up on the first anniversary of the election. health care is the fight. he weighed in on this. doesn't take kindly to the fact obama administration is using romney care. we'll discuss it with him. >> mark, stick around if you can. next, reverend al sharpton will be here regarding the shop and frisk policy at department stores in new york city. with the reporter who broke that story. you are watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. i love having a free checked bag
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after 19-year-old trayon pu purchased at belt at the same barney's store and was arrested and handcuffed for it. >> the world should know this is happening to a lot of people. >> so, she is one of four african-american shoppers who have come forward saying they have been stopped and questioned after shopping at new york city department stores. they claim they were profiled because they were african-american. some are suing. today is the deadline new york's attorney general set for the stores to turn over their so-called shop and frisk policies. joining us on set, the reporter who covered the story for the daily news, ginger adams. welcome to the show. really, really good reporting. also with us, the host of "politics nation," reverend al
sharpton. good morning. >> good morning. >> you broke this story. how did you find out about it and secondly, how widespread do you think it is that if you are african-american and you buy something expensive in macy's or barney's you have to chance of being taken to the side and handcuff snd. >> well, we found the story, i can't take all the credit. it was a veteran reporter of ours that found the lawsuit when it was filed about ten days ago here in manhattan supreme court. she earmarked it as this is an important issue and we need to get it to the office. it came to us in the office. we got on it right away. we got the the lawyer, his house, parents, talked to the nypd and barney's. >> what did you find? >> what he was saying is he was shopping for a belt. it was one he knew specifically he wanted worn by one of his
favorite rappers. he went in to the belt he wanted. paid for it by his debit card. he's a work/study student. he had the check deposited, paid for it, showed id, everything is great. he got about a block away and he was stopped by four undercover police officers and he claims, in his suit, what he alleges is their tone was how could you afford this? you know, show us your id, who are you? what are you doing here? how do you have the money for this. they cuffed him, according to his lawsuit, they brought him to the 19th precinct station house nearby. >> on a shoplifting charge? >> he wasn't charged. >> did he have a receipt? >> he had a receipt and documentation. >> how could they cuff him if he had a receipt. >> he paid with a valid credit card. >> debit card. >> debit card, which is worse.
>> he was not arrested. he was held. he was brought to the precinct? >> for what? >> that's what he's suing to find out. >> do you have a statement from the police? new york city police? >> did they do that? >> the police department said they changed one detail. in his lawsuit, he said he was held in the precinct house for about two hours. they said it was actually 45 minutes. >> okay. >> why did they say they cuffed him in the first place? >> the nypd says they were on the floor of barney's for an unrelated issue. the purchase was flagged by somebody in the barney's security room. >> he had a receipt. >> he was flagged because he was black. if you have a receipt. if you have a debit card. holy cow. >> just to point out here -- >> this has happened -- give us other stories. >> this goes on.
most of the time, if a store thinks you are committing a crime, they let you commit the crime so you can't say i was going to pay for that. so, that does happen. srk right. >> they let grow through with something they think is suspicious. >> you show the receipt. >> show the receipt and id, verify it and walk home. usually, you are approached and ma'am, may i see your receipt. you are not told how can you afford this, what are you doing here? >> after it came forward, we put it ton front page. the next morning, i was contacted by caleb phillip's mother. a hard working woman, works for the city. she said her daughter had the same exact experience. we went, it was a month before trayon's. kayla's was february 28. a young, nursing student, single mom, went to buy a bag she wanted. she had a job. she got a tax refund in
february. she went with a bank of america card. it was a new account. she had a temporary bank of america debit card without her name but she got in the mail, the actual card. she had not called to activate it. she went and bought the $2,500 bag, knew what she wanted, orange suedes beautiful purse. >> present to herself. >> with a tax refund. she does say she remembers the clerk getting a phone call during her transaction. the clerk just saying things like mm-hmm, yes, no. >> we have been dealing with racial profiling cases for years. when we saw this being national network, we immediately contacted the lawyer for one. we called for a meeting with the president of barney's who did come up to our headquarters in harlem. we had other civil rights leaders. he says they did not make the
complaint to police. i said if you didn't make the complaint, how did the police know about the purchase? you have to remember, both of them left the store. so, they said their custom is to let you finish the purchase. >> they are looking at cameras and calling the clerks. >> based on race. if you have a debit card, you have the receipt and the money is taken out of your account. where is the crime and the probable cause? is this a new york city phenomenon? >> we get this a lot. >> from national chains? >> from national chains. we called a meeting of ceos to talk about this major change. there must be a change in policy. and there must be some instruction in the police departments. >> have you talked to the cops about this? >> the stores must deal with the
police departments. if you are claiming it's the cops, not us, what are you saying? the cops are saying it's you. what are they saying to you? we are caught in the middle. >> if you have a receipt, a debit card and shopping bag, how can they take them down? >> it's mind boggling. my other question is why is this coming out now? it's not like they woke up one day saying let's do this. itis been going on a long time. >> it has been going on a long time. a lot of people have been dismissed. we have been bringing it up. i think, to the credit of the daily news when they went on the front page, people started saying this is crazy. >> people that come forward, it's brave. >> right. >> what do we expect from the attorney general's office today? >> they are following up on this. they are meeting, supposed to be getting data from barney's and macy's.
macy's was the other two incidents that came forward. they are going to meet with two ex-security people. they are going to sit down with a lot of people, sitting down with trayon's lawyer and pursuing this. they want to see, specifically, what is the probable cause? that is what they are looking for. i think they also want to talk about past event that is happened in macy's in 2005. >> thank you so much. great reporting. thank you. >> thank you so much. 6:00 tonight, "politics nation." i like the music. >> mika looks great jogging around the stadium yesterday. >> did you see that? >> yeah. >> you weren't even trying. >> okay. thank you. that was so much fun, wasn't it, joe? >> yeah, it was. still ahead, the race to drive from new york to l.a. and how the driver made it without
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warren advised charlie to get out of law. that wasn't using the best of his talents, you are acting as an agent for someone else. charlie advised warren, he's always been an investor, his model has been grand. charlie encouraged him to buy good businesses that are only going to get better and add to them with other good businesses. warren had to get over paying more for things. >> quality. >> exactly. so, that's one. we also have -- >> robert ruben. >> yep, he talks about the importance of asking questions. learning by asking questions. jeffrey from dream works and melody hobson. this is something interesting. he says she told him something good. don't major in the minor. that means, basically, don't focus on the small things. think about the long term. i thought it was a good way of
putting it. >> i love that. >> billy jean king is in there. she talks about everybody in sports says you have to go out on a high note. you have to quit when you are at your peak. you don't want to go out when you have suffered and fallen down. she says absolutely not. you want a full career. keep doing it and just really complete that circle. so, it's a really fun package. >> that's a lovely advice. >> it's great advice, yeah. >> brian. >> from air b & b. >> john donohue. >> what is the best advice you got, john? >> best advice i got, it's just hard work erases a multitude of sins. and i turned that around and told people, you know, all you have to do is get up earlier than everybody else, stay up later and work harder between the two points. doesn't matter whether you are the smartest guy in the room or
not, you will win. it's the truth. >> it is. >> hard work really does. >> it's not about a talent. if you work hard. >> it's unbelievable. you do that day after day after day after day after month after month after year after year. sometimes it takes 20 years for everything to click. when it clicks, you know? you see that in campaigns, right? >> for sure. >> the people that don't really want to be out there, they just don't win. the people that knock on door after door. >> right. mika, how about you? >> best advice i ever got? when i was fired from cbs and i was really down in the dumps about it, a good friend said to me, trust me, you have to trust me, you have to trust me. this is going to be the best thing that ever happened to you. i had no reason to believe it. none. failure can be the best thing that ever happened to you. in most cases, it is. >> you believe that until you
fail. >> i failed a few times after. because of the advice and other things, i actually believed it. i got through the failure better. >> what is the best advice you got? >> i have an amazing uncle. he told me at a young age, when you are making big decisions, if it's comfortable, it's probably wrong. it was like push yourself. that's why i dropped out of high school and hitchhiked to nashville. >> fantastic. >> the best career advice i got, president bush looked at all of us at the 2004 campaign and said this isn't a career. >> yeah. >> this is fleeting. this isn't a career. i remember never thinking, i remember knowing in that moment, i didn't follow that advice, i did the 2008 campaign. i thought back on the advice often. he is right. when he says history will judge me kindly, yeah, it will.
>> what about you? >> when i went from being a writer to editor, somebody pushed me into that. they said you are going to do it. it goes with getting out of your comfort zone. do things you might not want to do. mika, you mentioned this and talked with sarah about it. the importance of failing. in our culture, we don't prize that. fail sg really good. people in the start-up community say you learn as much from failing as succeeding. sarah talks about around her dinner table as a child they were encouraged to fail. her dad would say what did you fail at today? that was encouraged. >> i learned more from losing campaigns that winning. >> i look at all the choices i made in my life. so many seemed like stupid choices. it goes with the first thing i said. you know, my family thought i was crazy because i always
seemed to be jumping off cliffs. i didn't fear failure, but you do jump off cliffs. but, i found, if you do work harder than everybody else, these stupid, crazy, long shot choices like running against a 16-year incumbent, suddenly they seem like good calculations. you even the odds over time by just not sleeping. >> exactly. >> working around the clock, right? >> if you rack up a lot of failures, you don't squander your success. the new issue of fortune is out. leigh gallagher, thank you. next, chef and restaurant rocco dispirito is in the green room. get all that stuff out of there. what are we serving in there? we'll talk about his latest project on the food network. i love having a free checked bag
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water, and food. it's the good stuff. it contains no calories. i disguise fiber as delicious food. it's 98% water. it looks just like a chocolate cupcake. cocoa powder and a lot of fine like sodium and rice and the italian book went to italy and they have a healthy lifestyle. they have a 3% obesity rate and we have a 37% obesity. and they eat italian food all day long. >> you have a pound a day diet where people have lost five pounds a week? >> you can lose up to three pounds a week. it's very aggressive and studies show if you are losing weight quickly, you are more likely to be on a program for a longer time. >> you get motivated?
>> exactly. the new fat comes off quickly. as you get to the older fat, it takes longer. for two to three weeks, you can lose up to two pounds a day. you guys look good. >> what's the key to your pound a day? >> it's creating a 3500 calorie day deficit. every 3500 calories you don't consume or burn, you lose a pound of fat. you do that by eating constantly. skipping meals makes you gain weight. >> exactly. >> six or seven a day. 200 to 300 calories each. not too great. a 16 ounce chocolate smoothie has 30 grams of pro10 and 11 grams of fiber made without sugar or fat.
i have a chinese fruit that is sweet and calorie-free. after that, a small egg wight omelette and after that, i will do something like stir fried beef and broccoli and a green smoothy and two to three hours and it keeps going. >> sign me up. >> let's underline this. skipping meals is the way to gain weight. >> that's right. >> why? >> here's why. after two to three hours, your body needs nutrition. if you don't provide nutrition and get the hunger pang, we know that feeling, whatever you consume after your blood has changed that you are in starvation mode gets stored as fat. >> oh, no! >> cave man mode. >> you stay in cave man mode. let's show this again. isn't this great? >> yes. everything you have to say is so important for the american diet
as we try to get off this salt, sugar, and fat. >> it's stunning what you said about italy versus america. >> 67% of america is over weight. they eat italian food all day long and they are 3% overweight. the reason is because they eat in moderation and they have a social system that provides regular feedings and they eat a lot of vegetables. >> restaurant divided airs thursday at 10:00 p.m. everyone should watch it. this guy is so smart. he knows food. i am glad to see a food show hosted by someone who understands the health aspect. >> i opened and closed a lot of restaurants. >> watch the show. thank you very much. >> you're welcome. >> actually i am. >> don't fight this. >> low enrollment numbers from
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>> get out of bed, guys. take a live look at new york city. on set we have nicole wallace, brian chapman and steve ratner. as obama care turns one-month-old, we are starting to see how serious early glitches on the website were. documents released by house republicans appear to show that just six people were able to enroll for health insurance on the opening day. a day later, 248. >> you are talking about one office. >> disclosed by the republicans. not one office. notes from internal meetings describe the widespread issues. among them the high volume and troubles with direct enrollment and problems with the va system and credit check information. the administration says it expected early enrollment numbers to be low. >> come on. this is 300 million people plus live in this country and this is
their landmark achievement and they had over two years to prepare and only six people can enroll? only six people can enroll. >> that's a bad headline. i don't think that's the case now. >> we wouldn't know. you know why? they won't release the numbers. they have the numbers and refuse to release them. >> they say the do you means are just notes and not official numbers. >> they give us official numbers, right? >> the white house points to massachusetts where just 123 people enrolled in the state's health care program in the first month. that number steadily grew. >> i think speaking of massachusetts, i thought this was fascinating. the same man that accused mitt romney of killing a woman. mitt romney killed my wife. he's such a beast. such a horrible human being. mitt romney killed my wife.
barack obama claimed that. >> no, no, no. >> mitt romney killed the wife. >> obama did not claim that. >> it was connected with his campaign. hillary clinton was not running in 2012. >> that commercial was put together by some sort of armed -- he didn't say that. >> someone close to barack obama. >> barack obama takes responsibility. the buck stops with barack obama. >> okay. >> barack obama and his campaign and people connected to his campaign and people closely associated with him in the past claimed that mitt romney killed a woman. >> the story, is that enough? >> can i please make my point. barack obama and his campaign claimed in 2012, it was one of the most horrific claims in sometime. that mitt romney killed a man's wife. >> i remember the commercial as well. >> mika, i'm going to keep doing
this. so in 2012, barack obama claimed that mitt romney killed a woman. yesterday he's in massachusetts. he says mitt romney is the model of health care. responsible health care. why don't we call this out this morning? a man who makes the most horrific charge through campaigns who a year later is saying mitt romney is the role model for what he did in massachusetts. >> there is a reason. >> it's staggering. >> it's not lost on the public. i think his pattern of being a bystander when things are going badly and distancing and you are probably right about who paid for and produced the ad, but the public has started to see through this. the public by responding with
personal approval ratings that is upside down that is in a lot of ways a damaging impediment for a president or trying to lead in the challenging times is because of what you are saying. >> it wasn't steve ratner. we talked about this. it wasn't just this one ad. they went to ohio for a year and they said mitt romney was a filthy disgusting capitalistic pig. they said the year before they destroyed mitt romney. they went to ohio and destroyed him as a human being and said he was a horrible filthy capitalist and yesterday barack obama is going up to massachusetts saying he's a role model. which is it? >> the other thing was that they said that mitt romney was attacking the health plan that he put in place and accused him of being a hypocrite about that.
the fact is that the massachusetts plan is a plan that worked. it is a model for our plan and we talked about it later today. the president is now latching himself on to that plan and they are not happy he is doing that. >> he can. mitt romney is a horrible human being or a role model for america. which is it? >> the health plan is a role model. >> there is no answer. >> would it be embarrassing to you how they rolled it out or how they are trouble shooting the rowel out? >> historians will look at that and it will be troubling. what matters and steve said this, six months from now is does this help americans. if like medicare part d or if like medicare and social security americans find on balance they are helped by obama care and they will like it and republicans will stop calling it
obama care. >> hopefully they will fix their glitches and more people sign up, many of those people will be republicans. will be part of the country that needs the help. it's going to be very difficult if people who couldn't get coverage are getting coverage and people with preexisting conditions can get coverage, it will be hard to take that away. >> this is troubling because president obama was having a bad year. it was a rough second term. he was already having a rough second term. this is one of the things that always makes me angry and i'm sure what makes you angry in your own business. self-inflicted wounds. when we do something stupid that i do every morning and i know. i get paid for it. >> i don't agree with this one. >> it was a self-inflicted wound. they knew this was coming and
they weren't prepared. as brian brought up, there were spies to the crisis. it has been equally bad like george bush looking down over katrina. >> the first few steps along the way if i were in the white house, i would say how could this have happened. what's underlying this in the end, you have a set of technical glitches, what is underlying this is people are realizing that there was an unfortunate impression conveyed that the health care plan, everybody was a winner. everybody was winning the lottery and nobody was losing. when you balance the equities, people are going to end up somewhat worse off in terms of the cost or this or that. the vast majority will be better off. the idea that everybody would be better off wasn't the case. >> they never talked about that. you can't get 30 million people on health insurance without
other people paying for it. there is no such thing as a free lunch. >> agree. >> you are exactly right. the wealthier may have to pay more. the stories that are troubling right now is the fact that like the l.a. times story, it's not devastating because you have working class people and middle class people that are struggling that are kicked out of their insurance plan and having to pay double. instead of $98 a month, it's $200 a month. for millions of americans, that's -- >> i had people say someone waiting for a kidney transplant is canceled. we talked off camera and i think the key is young people getting involved. in two years if it's going great, that's one thing. to keep the cost down, we need young people to enroll. if it's down the road, the government will have to spend more money to get them to try the website. if it doesn't work out, you move
on. >> other very big headlines, revelations that are fascinating. mark halpern and john heilman are set to shake-up the political world. double down is the upcoming book on the presidential election are leaking to the press. remember the rumors that the obama administration was considering booting vice president biden off the ticket in favor of hillary clinton? >> that is crazy. >> joe, you had heard from insiders about this and everybody did. >> early on that people talking about it in 11. i heard from insiders and we talked about it and everybody laughed. >> well, it turns out. >> nobody will listen to me. >> for turns out obama's chief of staff at the time bill daley was pushing the idea. i was vocal about looking into a
whole bunch of things and this was one of them. you have to remember at that point the president was in awful shape. so we were like holy christ, what do we do? >> fortunately for vice president biden, research suggested it was not going to help the president's chances. >> i wonder why. >> hillary clinton's approval ratings is down to 46% right now i saw. >> this is so interesting. >> i have grade d mile an houration for her. >> i do too. i think she is going to run. >> benghazi is a serious thing. it's a lot more difficult to get around that than the mainstream media want to admit. they think it's a crazy right wing experience. it's not. i will tell you that moment when she said what does it matter? >> about the pakistan? oh, benghazi. i don't think she meant it that way. >> she didn't, but it's a line
she will regret. >> it doesn't make a difference. i think at the end of the day, swapping out the vice president looks more desperate than the benefit you may gain by having a different person on the ticket. >> presidential candidates can hurt. >> i edited myself. >> there is that. that's a good point. >> what are dale was quoted as, seems to make sense. he was doing due diligence and considering the options and then they make a decision. >> also -- >> this is not a huge knock on joe biden. if you are bill daley, you are in that position. if it gives a 3% or 4% bump, i take my mother off as vice president. mom, you understand that. >> no, mary jo would not understand that. >> mary jo would scream at me.
>> she would get angry. >> she would say joey, it's about winning. >> if you are chief of staff, you don't want him walking in your office saying what do you got for me? >> also mitt romney was considering chris christie for vice president and should have. >> the campaign ruled him out due to questions about his background and health. there were questions they tried to get information from the christie camp. according to game change, they wouldn't give it to him. this is i think the most remarkable part of the book. we know he is not a social guy. he has disdain for the political red handing. >> grubbiness. >> it's not just republicans he doesn't like to hang out with. bill clinton tried to set up his golf game with bill clinton.
they don't even finish 18 holes and he walks off in disgust. i would love to golf with that guy. >> of course you would, joe. the two of you. >> he said i like him. what do you think about the game? >> you are so great, joe. mr. period, you are so great. how is my hair? you would stop spending time with him. >> i can take him in doses. like five-minute doses. >> come on. mr. president, don't listen to her. >> mr. president, you do tend to overwhelm the conversation. >> you think a sitting president had enough to ask him about. former presidents, all former presidents have wisdom to share and pass on. >> you ask for it. >> i think president obama could have endured that point. >> considering steve ratner and
bill clinton delivered the best campaign speech of barack obama's campaign. he learned to love him because his second call on election night -- >> was it bill clinton. >> the speech at that convention was half ad libbed. he took text and went from the text. >> he is incredibly talented. our president could use advice from him, but i can understand -- >> a longer game like 36 holes. >> i said it for years. phi were a democratic presidential candidate, i would wear a bracelets with wwbd. what would bubba do. bill clinton is the only democrat who figured out how to win in the age of reagan. that age that many think passed us by is still with us and causes problems every time democrats try to expand the government in 2009 and 2010. they are still paying for it.
>> the difference between them is stark and important because bill clinton no matter what you -- he loves it. he wants to be in it. he wants to be in any conversation about politics. >> hooey gets it. . >> he has the stability that you see going into a campaign and give a speech and he explained it better than the candidate did. >> that's true. coming up, we will check in with politico and canadian police said they have video of toronto's mayor smoking crack. we will show you what the embattled politician is saying now. edward snowden lands a job in russia. something tell us the nsa didn't write a letter of recommendation. more coming up on "morning joe." ♪
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>> per time to take a like look the the morning papers. the controversial stop and frisk policy scored a victory in the courtroom. a panel of federal judges put a stay on a previous ruling that required changes to the policy. in addition, the panel removed judge shind lynn from the case saying she compromised the
appearance of impartiality. she has been vocal in the press appearing in introduce responding to criticism. >> we have here in the "new york daily news." we have reporters covering the story. it's a huge win for michael bloomberg. it puts bill deblasio in an interesting position. >> yes, it does. let's go on to the toronto star. police have video of embattled mayor smoking crack? the mayor denied the claim since the initial reports of the video surfaced. >> isn't that supposed to make you skinny? >> i was thinking the same thing. the crackheads are always skinny. >> if you smoke crack, you hope you would get something out of
it. >> that was one of my goals. >> i think it makes your face swell because it's bad for you. >> i was thinking the same thing. >> city councilmembers called for his resignation. the mayor confronted the media camped out at his home as he left for work angrily asking them to get off his property and then pushing him out. it is not the first memorable moment with the press. he had a run in with a camera at a press event. >> nsa leaker edward snowden has a new job on what is described as a russian website. he starts later this month, but he named a company for security reasons. from a parade of papers, "the washington post" committed to the white house and congress that employees for the department of homeland security may have boosted their pay with
overtime. they didn't earn the total as much as $8.7 million a year. this tactic can add at much as 25% to a paycheck and may have been used to recruit new workers. >> san diego union tribune. a police officer issued what many believe is the first ticket for driving while wearing goolle glass. this woman was caught after speeding and plans to fight the ticket. they said it was blocking her vision and causing a distraction. mike allen is here with the morning playbook. first off, election day is four days away and liberal groups are spending big bucks in the closely watched areas. >> before i get to that, one of my favorite tidbits from double down, this they reveal one of
mrs. obama's favorite programs. something she watches religiously while she is working out and while she is doing it, she e-mails valerie jarrett when she doesn't like what's being said. >> what is that? >> "morning joe." >> oh, mrs. obama, i'm sorry. >> you ought to take back everything you said this morning. >> we like her. >> i'm from the south. >> the president, not barack obama, mr. president. we like michelle. she is awesome, especially the health stuff which i would like to work with you on. >> i am nice to mrs. obama. you know what i found out? like in politics, women around me, they were the ones that get angry at what was said about me. it wasn't me. i'm sorry, mrs. obama. >> yes, good. >> i have to be nice now.
>> yes you do. >> you ruined my friday. >> you know what? >> she's got two daughters. >> if she is working out, a lot of people get missed off and run faster. >> she doesn't need to. >> of course not. >> mike allen, i'm upset about something else. it's not wednesday. it's not monday. it's not tuesday. >> so we will fix that right now. good morning, mrs. obama and happy friday. welcome to november. >> valerie is always e-mailing me. >> it must be. >> good morning, valerie. how are you doing? >> now here we are talking to valerie and mrs. obama and talking about the concord. go ahead. >> as mika pointed out a couple of hours ago, there is outside spending on the democratic side.
it's not just the koch brothers that can spend in elections. republican donors are talking about how they are down in the dumps after the last election. the left is stepping in and aggressive money that is being spent in the 2013 elections. mayor blom berg spending on guns and on climate. mark zuckerberg spending on immigration. what we are finding is that in the races coming up tuesday, including virginia, there is now more outside money on the democratic or left side. in fact in virginia this week, this is amazing. terry mcauliffe is outspending the republican ken cuccinelli by 25-1. >> did i see so much stuff in the middle of the night and i never know if i'm dreaming or not. did i see a poll in the middle of the night that said ken
cuccinelli is in a poll or two? >> tightening, sure. we have talked to both campaigns. there was a poll that showed it much tighter. the cuccinelli internal polls do not show a tightening that much. the campaigns believe that poll is an outliar and terry mcauliffe is cruising to an easy win. you never know. >> politico's mike allen, thank you. white house press secretary jay carney will join us. you better be good. ♪
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>> welcome back to "morning joe." this storm has taken six lives and the journey across the country and moving from baltimore to philadelphia to new york city. at least 76 plates canceled. la guardia airport reporting three hour delays and philadelphia two hour delays. the line of storm, the red line is across pennsylvania. now arriving towards the philadelphia suburb and areas of new york city approaching the jersey and pennsylvania line. when it comes through, winds
gust up to 60. we had 100 to 200,000 people lose power in the pennsylvania area because of this line of storms. this will roll through new york city areas through the next two hours. you don't want to be caught outdoors when the storm goes through especially near big trees. a lot of trees have been falling down in pennsylvania and western new york. we will keep you updated in the populated areas in new york. >> thank you so much. we appreciate it in a dangerous situation especially the east coast area. be watching out. now from the white house, we have jay carney. jay, we have old white house hands with us. mark mckin on and mark wallace. been there, done that. >> i love those guys. the band is back together. >> brian shackman with mika. >> give them the negative headlines whether it's fixable
or not. it's destructive to the cause. do you think it would be better to wait six months and roll it out again and right? is there discussion in the white house about that? >> no. the answer is no. there is a six-month enrollment period for a reason that gives a substantial amount of time and a longer period than normal for insurance programs. that will give the time we need to make sure that the website is functioning properly and make sure we get to the end purpose here which is to give the american people affordable quality health insurance. many of them haven't had that in the past, especially those in the individual markets. >> you will give them access for sure, but are they going to be there. how are you going to get the young people? aren't you going to lose them in the process? >> i don't think so. here's why. one, we are working to make improvements to this wholly unsatisfactory website. nobody is more unsatisfied with
the way that website has performed than the president of the united states. we are working every day to improve it. if there is a silver lining to this, it was always the case no matter how good the website was going to be. young americans would be the last group to sign up. i don't know about you and college and everything i did when i was young was last minute up to the deadline when i have to reenroll. i wait until the last day or two of enrollment because i want to believe i'm young. that's the way young folks are going to operate. we are able to focus on this problem, address it every day and prove the user experience. give access to information through other means and focus on what really matters. the purpose was not to develop a great website. the purpose was to provide a market so americans can buy affordable health insurance with minimum standards. so many had crummy plans that didn't give them hospitalization
and mental health services and had lifetime or annual caps. all that goes away on january 1st. >> before you were famous for being the white house press secretary, you were famous in the halls of the west wing as washington went for time. i can picture you in those days which you would have walked into the west wing in dan bartlet's office next to mine and taken us apart. if george w. bush had said five years if you like your plan you can keep it. if you love your doctor, don't worry. you can keep them. if that turned out to be untrue the way those things turned out to be untrue for your boss, you would have taken us apart. that article would have dictated the narrative we would have to fight against for weeks. how are you dealing with that? >> you are giving me too much credit, but look. we are taking heat because the
website has not worked and because we have to get this right. that's fine. >> what about that statement? >> the website fairly is not your domain. you are not in charge of the vip department of the white house, but you have a big roll to play in the words that are uttered and making sure that not just the white house press corps, but the public believes your boss. you know as well as i do when the public stocks believe in your boss. how do you believe the two things that were saying they keep their health plans and keep their doctors turn out to be not true. >> first of all, obviously i take issue with your characterization of what the president said. it is true that the affordable care act as written grandfathers in anyone with an individual insurance plan on the individual market in place prior to the passage of the law. the problem which has always been a problem is that insurance companies in that wild wild west
of the insurance market, the individual market could arbitrarily cancel and change the plans and downgrade the plans at any time. many of them have over the last several years. >> it's not like you guys are innocent and unknowing bystanders of what they were going to do. you wrote a sweeping law and you knew what the insurance company and the industry said it was going to do. the public is right to feel misled by the president. >> here's what i would say. we are talking about two things. 5% of the population is only possibly affected. only a sliver or a cut was affected by this. the truth is that if you have a crummy plan that doesn't give you hospitalization or puts lifetime or caps on your insurance and charges you double because you are a woman, that's the status quo. what the reality is now is that you will have the opportunity to get minimum standards of insurance and for many if not
most you get it for the same or cheaper than what you are paying now. that's the whole point of the affordable care act. we get the problems with the roll out. we own that. the angle is not a perfect roll out or website, but getting affordable health insurance to people who need the security. if you are out there dealing with the individual insurance market, you will be in a better place next year. it's our job to get it right so that happens. >> it's a kinder and gentler push. mark is wearing his scarf. you better be nice to him. >> what's up. how are you doing? >> i'm doing good. you probably recall now when i told you that they were handing you the keys to the gates of hell. he sent me a postcard when i got the job that said we are praying for you. >> it's funny to see the tables here. i remember you before. i want to go back to the issue
of younger americans like someone who is 35 with a $50,000 a month job. they pay 95% or 1%, whichever is higher. it would only be $50. they pay a $95 penalty. is that heavy enough to not ignore the law and not go without health insurance. >> i think the answer is yes. a lot of study went into this. what data shows is that young americans want insurance if it's affordable. they are not going to be pushed that hard to get basic affordable insurance because most young people i know, they are the ung invincibles and think they are never going to get sick or hurt, but go given the option of going to the hospital or see a doctor without going to the emergency room, they will take it. we have to structure the options so that there is affordable care
available to them and they will see that as a better alternative than paying a penalty. a lot of study went into this and we are confident is will work. >> push them hard. >> you did wonderful work on boston. i'm a red sox fan and that was great. what you did for boston was very nice. >> thanks. we had a great time. it was a really nice break from politics. i'm sure you are talking about red sox now. like we would too. it was great. >> it was special, wasn't it? >> what happened from boston strong. >> it's an amazing story. great story. >> look at that hat. red sox hat. >> i love it. faith on friday is our next guest. vice president obama with his most challenging moments in office. we'll be right back.
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>> joining us now for faith on friday. president obama's spiritual adviser and the author of the president's devotional. a daily prayer, stories and scriptures he sent to the president to help inspire him. very good to have you on the show. what would be the prayer today? >> today was actually about fear and how to overcome fear and bounce back. i use the great boxer joe lewis to illustrate a point about fear this morning. >> let's talk about how important it is for devotions for presidents of faith. this president has been straight forward talking about jesus christ as his savior and jimmy carter had a great devotional out last year. why is it so important for these men that have the weight of the world on their shoulders. >> it's important for all of us. we have to start our day
disconnected from the daily churn of politics and focused on what's most important in life. our relationships and relationship with god and our purpose for being on this earth. that's what i try to do with the devotionals each morning for the president. >> the book is his favorite verse from the bible. isaiah 4:31. it says but those who wait on the lord shall renew their strength. they shall mount up with wings like eagles. they shall run and not be weary. they shall walk and not faint. why do you think it's his favorite? >> it's a verse about giving things time to play out. we will not have all of our success right away. sometimes it takes a while for things to develop. we have to wait on god to move. that's a bid of wisdom not just for the president, but all of us. >> can you tell us about the office you are running and your job responsibilities. >> sure. i used to run the faith-based and neighborhood partnerships with the white house and
faith-based organizations around the country to serve people in need and i did that for the president's first term and now transitioned to an organization called values partnerships where we help with the faith community to solve challenges in the world. >> george w. bush is a man of deep faith. did he have daily devotionals? >> i would guess he did, but i wonder, presidents can let us in so many different ways. i wonder if you wish that not just this president, but all presidents were more public in their faith. do you think that would lift us up in times that are frustrating for a lot of american families? >> in the book, i talk about some of those moments where the president transitioned from being commander in chief to pastor in chief in difficult moments, particularly newtown. i went with him to connecticut in that horrible, horrible day and talked about what it was like to see the president there. i would rather have a leader who lives out a sermon rather than
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>> mika, come home. come home. >> some other stuff happening. that's in michael's private gym. he has a 7 foot goal there. that's awesome. >> all good things come to an end and i'm not talking about your career. i'm talking about the jonas brothers. >> sos. told you i made dinner plans for you and me and no one else. that don't [ bleep ] and that's sos. >> jefferson couldn't have done it better. ♪ >> live from fenway park in boston, massachusetts. home of the world champion boston red sox. >> that is mika lapping fenway park. the boston police are removing them because they have been licking the green monster. >> the moment of torii hunter jumping over. >> is there a chance that you guys are taking this too far?
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>> you are like the babiest men i have ever met. >> you and donny. >> get over here, mika. >> come back. >> what did you learn? make up something. >> um, um, i love the red sox? >> chef. >> 350 calories. tom, what's his name. rocco. oh, my god, i ate mcdonald's this week. oh, my god. >> a lot of head next week. stick around. i have no idea what it's going it do. way too early, it's "morning joe." stick around because right now chuck todd is straight ahead with "the daily rundown." mika, wake up! >> the white house heats up and hillary clinton